Okay folks, here is the thing. I am an atheist because logic tells me there are no imaginary friends for clear thinking adults. I do not pretend to know the origin of the Universe and science in this region is at best only a guess. I am perfectly content to admit I do not know the origin, and also do not care how or when. In truth nobody does orever will know how or when. The big bang supposes(guesses) that the present Universe was created that way, but no one can tell what was there before the big-bang. Christian people provide the non-answer that god always was and always will be. When confronted by this stupidity I change my answer from not knowing to: The Universe always was and always will be.